Joe Legal vs. Jose Illegal



The following is an article that’s been circulating the internet for a while. Pay it forward . . .

You have two families: “Joe Legal” and “Jose Illegal.” Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California . . .

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal
 also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Ready?  Now pay attention . . .

Joe Legal:
  $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000 per week, or $52,000 per year.  Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.

Jose Illegal:
  $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600 per week, or $31,200 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.

Joe Legal
 pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600 per month, or $7,200 per year.  Joe Legal now has $24,031.

Jose Illegal
 has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics and emergency hospitals at a cost of $0 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.

Joe Legal
 makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare.  Joe Legal pays $500 per month for food, or $6,000 per year.  Joe Legal now has $18,031.

Jose Illegal
 has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps, WIC and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.

Joe Legal
 pays rent of $1,200 per month, or $14,400 per year.  Joe Legal now has $9,631.

Jose Illegal
 receives a $500 per month Federal Rent Subsidy.  Jose Illegal pays out that $500 per month, or $6,000 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.

Joe Legal
 pays $200 per month, or $2,400 for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.

Jose Illegal
 says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $31,200.

Joe Legal
 has to make his $7,231 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.

Jose Illegal
 has to make his $31,200 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month.

Joe Legal
 now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.

Jose Illegal
 has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

Joe Legal’s
 and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same elementary school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.

Now, when they reach college age, Joe Legal’s kids may not get into a state school and may not qualify for scholarships, grants or other tuition help, even though Joe has been paying for state schools through his taxes, while Jose Illegal’s kids “go to the head of the class” because they are a minority.

Joe Legal
 and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

You get the picture?

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  1. …you missed the part where you need to have a Social Security number to receive Food Stamps.
    …and the part where you need to be a citizen or legal resident to receive a Federal Housing Subsidy
    …and the part where a student has to prove that their parent is a legal resident or citizen to receive in state benefits for College.

    So close!

    • Since when? All the illegals have to do is contact casa md and they push all of the benefits through for them! omalley, the obama clone, has called them the new Americans nuff said! The eligibility requirements you are listing are for American citizens who apply! Dont try to twist this into what the communist liberal wants us to beleive!

      • What the hell does 'contact casa md and they push all of the benefits through for them' even mean? Stop making shit up. It's a FACT that illegal immigrants are not eligible for welfare benefits. If they manage to steal someones identify to get benefits that is a case against fraud and corruption, NOT a case against illegal immigrations, and I can assure you that this practice is not common or widespread. If you insist on claiming it is, PROVE IT.

        Also, I'd like to point out that the math in this article is incorrect. Only an idiot would listen to someone who can't even subtract 30% from 52,000.

    • In Maryland at least $1.6 bil per year somehow goes to illegal aliens. Additionally our legislature and governor give casa de Maryland, a criminal organization that protects illegals, several million a year. As a santuary state, which is contraury to fedral law and makes the governor a criminal, our state government does more for illegals in this state than for its citizens. The only thing the governor does for the citizens is increase our taxes so he can afford more voting illegals.

    • I agree! I'm not saying I disagree with the writer's agenda… but this article's content is completely flawed.

    • Hey Dick, ever hear of fake ID? You’re either totally ignorant or intellectually dishonest like most liberals. Illegals are collecting these benefits using 2-3 different fraudulent names in some instances under the same household so multiply the figure used in the article by 2 or 3 and you’ll see why they’re living in nicer homes than you are, driving better cars than you are, wearing nicer clothes than you are, get it? No, probably not because you’re most likely a clueless bottom feeder like the leeches you defend.

    • At beginning of this school year we enrolled our middle child into pre-k. while sitting at the house filling out the necessary paper, when it came to the part of “free lunch” at the bottom next to where you sign was a check block and next to it was “I do not have SSN or work visa #”.
      so if they do not need any to those to receive that subsidy, what make you think they will need it for any of the other benefits? furthermore I have seen some of these same parents at the store paying for stuff with EBT cards and cant speak a lick of English, hell the school has to have translator at the school.

      what you have done Richard is prove that you and the rest of your leftwing nut jobs are “So Close” to pushing the middle man into the poor house. please quit being a mushroom and open your eyes.

      yours truly,
      The Middle Class

    • That seems to be the one of the common rebuttals of this comparison. It is probably true that you need a SS number for Food Stamps, receive assistance for Federal Housing and that their parent is a legal resident to receive State benefits (in SOME state not TX for example) …

      But there are some very simple ways around this. The first is a false SS number you may have hard of the phishing scams to try to get access to SS numbers, and this is one of the reasons why. I have many friends who are legal citizens of Hispanic Decent with names to match. who have had issue with unknown people using their SS numbers.

      BUT THERE IS AN EASIER WAY, and that is simply to couple (not get married) to a partner who is here legally. That person who is the other parent of their (legal) children can get a part time job and qualify for assistance as a single parent. that makes the entire process possible. The numbers may not be exact for what Joe Legal pays but those numbers are not the point the point is that people are able to slip thru the system. There are people who are here legally who do the same thing.

    • Richard YOU missed the part where Jose illegal has 2 children, if they are born in us the family would be eligible for food stamps, public housing.. and if an illegal alien wants to attend college, there parents illegal status does not matter for FEDERAL aid, it doesn't even ask it on the fafsa form.. but you said state benefits, which I'm not sure, each state is so different regarding illegals and college.. I think in some states if your parent lives out of state, the child cannot receive the in-state tuition rate, but thats regarding all citizens, so is not an immigration issue

  2. So, the moral of this story is, if you are paying taxes and doing things above the table, you are an ignorant chump. Paying taxes only supports the government. No one should pay taxes to help make this government collapse.

  3. Not a single citation or reference to a source of facts for any of these claims, anywhere. Just like a tea party douche. lol

    • why do you need source references? All you need for this illustration is an elementary level of math! Do the math – if you work and pay into the taxes, then YOU are paying the bills for every illegal in this country. Obama doesn't give a rip- if YOU have to pay the tab for all of those votes! lol He is still mega rich at the end of the day. haha It is so simple.

  4. I am Hispanic and take no offense to this because it somewhat has some truth to it. My husband makes 45,000 thousand dollars annually and gets deducted a total of about 7 thousand dollars!! We don't qualify for food stamp nor Medicaid for my little girl. We are stuck paying $600 a month for my daughters and I health insurance. I go to school and a head start program is not offered to my child because of our income. So, we are stuck paying $500 for my daughters head start program!! We get offered no assistance what so ever, however, I know many Hispanic women with two to three kids getting $500 dollars of food stamps , full Medicaid coverage for her kids and a fully paid head start program for their three kids!! Meanwhile, their husbands work at the same job my husband does, only thing is they don't use their real names so their wives don't declare their income!!! Obama needs to fix this problem that the middle class is now the poor and the "poor" are living stress free and debt free!!!

    • Your right on some things but the poor are poor because the illegal immigrants have their jobs so please don't knock all the poor because sometimes it can't be helped, yes their are definitely some people taking advantage of the system & the government knows this & just doesn't care, I just got a car after a year gone without one, just got car ins. & was penalized for not having car ins.when I didn't even have a car because of Obama care yea he really cares don't he, I mean really why would anyone have car ins.if they don't have a car, that's one of the reasons I didn't have a car, couldn't afford the ins.

    • They're not idiots, they're just intellectually dishonest hypocrites. They know exactly what's going on but refuse to admit it and everyone knows!!

    • Yes they do! It only takes one legal person in the household! Maybe his wife is legal and gets all the benefits. He came over illegally and works!

  5. You list a scenario that has an off-the-grid worker receiving on-the-grid benefits. Something seems off with that. This isn't to say that illegals and other don't get government money through some channels, but the tally you list is probably way off.

  6. You missed the neighbor across the street with 5 kids… Joe Welfare. His family gets all for free and more and he don’t even have to work cause he is claiming a disability.

  7. Add back the 30% you took off in taxes. Joe legal will actual owe $0 in taxes or receive a refund if he qualifies for the additional child tax credit. This is flawed from the jump. Also, there is a glaring mathematical error in the rent paragraph for Joe legal. How can I take you seriously if you can even subtract? There are many illogical ideas in this article. Illegals won't call the police or visit a legit doctor or dentist for fear of deportation. Why can't joe legal's come home after school? If the household income is based on $52k, which it obviously is based on the math within the article, then his wife could watch them after school, no?

    • In California or Texas- they most certainly do visit the doctors and dentists! Remember – our president says they don't need to present proof of citizenship and we will even give them a drivers license! Please read this comment from above- Jhakinchris · 53 weeks ago
      I am Hispanic and take no offense to this because it somewhat has some truth to it. My husband makes 45,000 thousand dollars annually and gets deducted a total of about 7 thousand dollars!! We don't qualify for food stamp nor Medicaid for my little girl. We are stuck paying $600 a month for my daughters and I health insurance. I go to school and a head start program is not offered to my child because of our income. So, we are stuck paying $500 for my daughters head start program!! We get offered no assistance what so ever, however, I know many Hispanic women with two to three kids getting $500 dollars of food stamps , full Medicaid coverage for her kids and a fully paid head start program for their three kids!! Meanwhile, their husbands work at the same job my husband does, only thing is they don't use their real names so their wives don't declare their income!!! Obama needs to fix this problem that the middle class is now the poor and the "poor" are living stress free and debt free!!!

      • Thank you Patriot123 for schooling "logicisyoyrfriend". He is not very logical. He doesn't take any of this very seriously even though it does affect him, his family, his friends, his community, his state , etc. He is so busy thinking he's "smarter and more compassionate " than everyone else, that he can't see that he's being taken advantage of by the majority of illegal immigrants that have entered the United States. Why won't these liberals wake up and open their eyes?? I'll never understand their "logic".

  8. Even taking out the article's inaccurate points, "Jose" still comes out ahead. Now why would he want to "come out of the shadows" and have to live like the Joe Legals of this country He's better off without amnesty!

  9. Let's just ignore the fact that this is another fear tactic from the far right and not to say that illegals don't take advantage of the US. Why would you blame Jose for looking out for his family but act like the "Job creators" (I like using oxymoron's) are so innocent. Not to mention it must be nice to feed a family of 4 on $500.00 a month.

  10. Of course it's not 100% accurate, it seems it is written to make you think. A lot of "illegal aliens" use the system for all they can without paying in. The system is abused, in my state "undocumented immigrants" receive cheaper college tuition than US citizens. They also can get state issued driver licenses… So government issues identification to illegals…

  11. This my friends is caused by the Democrats that buy the votes of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants with your tax dollars. This is just one of the reasons’s if you are a legal worker in the United States you would never vote for a Democrat for Congress or President. The do not care about you or the United States they only care about the money they can accumulate from big corporations and unions by passing out your tax dollars to them for contracts and allowing union contracts only for Federal Government work. Along with this payoff and many other payoffs that are given this group is the liberal media that is also a part of the equation. The big companies then also promise the congressmen and President big high paying lobbying jobs and other perks. The big companies also pay the liberal media big advertising contracts to support this system and not expose the treachery, the treason, the illegal acts, the unconstitutional bills and the cost to the lower paid worker and the fact the illegal’s cause the wages to remain lower because of the excess labor and the Federal Government subsidizing the benefits of illegal’s. If this makes you mad then stop voting for Democrats and the Political Class Establishment Congressmen that stay in office like John Boehner for 25 years until the people are so tired of his support for big government the people are outspoken about his failure to do what they want. We must have the convention of the states and term limits. We must stop Illegal’s from invading our country and we must send all of them that are here back home. Many of the Congressmen say it would cost to much to send them home but that is not true. We can stop giving them all benefits and when they do collect a benefit catch them at that point and deport them. If they go to the hospital and receive government paid treatment when they are discharged if the hospital is able to receive their payment from the government the illegal must be deported prior to payment. We are paying these cost and it is all due to the corrupt Democrats and the Establishment in Washington DC the richest and Place of the Wealthiest Group of People on the Planet. Stop VOTING FOR THESE CROOKS, THIEVES, AND SELF-SERVING ESTABLISHMENT POLITICAL CLASS DEMOCRATS!…. Chase them out just like Boehner!!! Stop the TRIANGLE OF THE POLITCAL CLASS – MEDIA – BIG CORPORATION LOBBYIST that work for themselves with your increasing tax dollars!!!

  12. Why is there no mention of Joe legal contractor here? This guy is the true culprit
    in all of this, he, after all is clearing 20k per illegal that he hires. Or did you genius'
    forget about him?

  13. It’s not false that illegal aliens can get food stamps and school wavers without a SS#, I have went through financially hard times in the past, I’m a legal citizen born and raised, and I have received welfare in the form of food stamps and the church, none of it required SS# or DL# or any other form of federal or state ID.

  14. Joe works in construction, has a Social Security number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
    Jose also works in construction has no Social Security number and makes $15.00 per hour cash, under the table.
    Ready?… now pay attention….
    Joe: $25.00 per hour × 40 hours = $1,000.00 per week or $52,000.00 per year. Now, take 31% away for State and Federal taxes. Joe legal now has $31,231.00.
    Jose: $8.00 an hour × 40 hours = $320.00 per week or $16,640.00 per year. Jose pays no taxes. Jose now has $16,640.00.
    Joe pays medical and dental insurance with coverage for his family, and because of the Affordable Care Act his rate is $389.00 which would have been $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. But Joe is smart and doesn’t let his feelings get in the way of a good idea. Joe now has $26,563.00.
    Jose has no medical coverage. He has no social security number or birth certificate. He does have the emergency room. That comes with the risk of deportation, it’s not an option often exercised. Jose still has $16,640.00.
    Joe makes decent money. He does not need nor is concerned with welfare or food stamps. Joe understands that those are for the less fortunate. Occasionally Joe gets stupid and let’s some crappy website convince Joe that somehow social services is just as big as the defense budget, but then Joe gets distracted by some other imaginary crisis and sits his ass down and has a beer. Joe legal spends $500.00 per month for food or $6,000.00 per year. Joe now has $20,563.00
    Jose has no documented income NOR a social security number or a birth certificate. He has no access to social services whatsoever.
    Joe legal pays rent of 1,200.00 per month or $14,400.00 per year. Joe legal now has $6,163.00
    Jose receives $500.00 per month Federal rent subsidy. Jose pays out that $500.00 per month or $6,000.00 per year. Jose illegal still has $31,200.00. I left this intact for a reason. One, only way to receive this is through section 8. Two, Jose doesn’t qualify. Three, that makes all this a fucking lie (if you haven’t figured that out by now).
    Joe pays $200.00 per month or $2,400.00 per year for car insurance. Some of that is uninsured motorist insurance. Joe legal now has $3,763.00.
    Jose says,”I wish congress would pass immigration reform or at least provide a path to citizenship so I can get a drivers license.”
    Joe has to make his $3, pay utilities, gasoline.. etc.
    Jose uses his $16,640 to live, pay rent sales taxes etc etc just like the rest of us. (That sending the money out of the country is some racist bullshit. Outdated racist bullshit at that.)
    Joe now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
    Jose works 7 days. On a plantation or a construction site.
    Joe’s children attend elementary school. Jose’s children attend school only if they’re citizens. Most likely though, Jose came alone.
    Joe pays for his children’s lunches.
    Jose’s children get a government-sponsored lunch. (Government sponsored huh… I left this once again to show the idiocy in this. Jose if he even has children here, get nothing due to the fact they’re not citizens. Sorry, that’s the way the law is executed. It’s how things really work.)
    Jose’s children have an after school program same as any other child.
    Joe and Jose’s children have access to after school programs, and community sponsored programs such as the YMCA.
    Now, when they reach college age…
    Joe’s kids can qualify for pell grants because they’re citizens. Joe’s kids can qualify for grants if they meet the requirements because they’re citizens. Of course…..this depends on Joe’s kids not being idiots also……..
    Jose’s kids go to the, ‘head of the class’ because they are a minority. (NOBODY MOVED ME TO THE HEAD OF ANY GOT-DAMN THING AND I’M A ‘MINORITY’. My sister paid for her education every step of the way. This is a racist belief that we have a leg up just because we’re minorities.)
    Joe and Jose both benefit from the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not. Now this is actually true. But once again this is based solely on Jose’s willingness to risk deportation. Which I can assure you he is not.
    Do you get it, now? This post comes from uninformed borderline racist ass hats who know next to nothing about a people and a situation created by a much needed immigration reform.
    If we vote for or support any politician that does not vote for immigration reform,… we are part of the problem.
    Its way PAST time to take a stand for America and and human life!
    We need to keep this going — we need to make changes ASAP! (I already did and you’re welcome.)

    • Still doesn't get it. All lies- minority's DO get a leg up. Some minorities even get their own colleges. Please research what you're saying here. Illegals CAN get benefits without SS cards and free ESL classes, Section 8 housing, all of this is true and you won't admit it. They also do not get deported for going to an emergency room. Please list your sources because I want to see where there's cases of an illegal coming to a US hospital for emergency treatment and being deported.If you want to keep your head in the sand, that's up to you.

  15. You Americans think you have it bad with Obama. You'll be rid of him in a few months. Here in Canada we have Trudeau, and we're stuck with him for another three and a half years, (at least)

  16. What's sad about this post was that, A) it was featured on a neo nazi website. B) It sews division between people because of their immigration status. The real reason that "Joe Legal" struggles is because since the 1980s, when the government began giving tax breaks for the wealthy, American productivity has increased 6 fold. Wages have remained stagnant, adjusted for inflation. If wages had kept up with productivity over the past 38 years, the average American income would be around $98,000 per Year. Not per household. But per person!!! But keep being stupid.