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NJ Ballot Access Challenge Hearing Update

NJ Ballot Access Challenge Hearing

Posted by Toria for clarity
Wong Kim Ark case is not applicable to natural born constitutional requirement
The 14th Amendment adopted into the Constitution in 1858 refers to
jus soli  of the soil, place / location of birth applies to just a citizen

Article II Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution states Natural Born jus sanguinis and applies to the President and Vice President.  (Latin: right of blood) determined by the citizenship of the parents and on the soil of that same citizenship, all natural born.

The attorney for the people Mario Apuzzo, Esq.   http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
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By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
April 10, 2012

Today, April 10, 2012, Nicholas E. Purpura and Theodore T. Moran had their Barack Obama primary ballot objection heard by Deputy Director and Administrative Law Judge, Jeff S. Masin, at the Office of Administrative Law, 9 Quakerbridge Plaza, Mercerville (Hamilton Twp.), New Jersey 08619. The case started about 9:30 a.m. and lasted to about 1:00 p.m. I represented the Objectors. Mr. Obama was represented by Alexandra Hill of the firm of Genova, Burn & Giantomasi of Newark, New Jersey.

We argued that Mr. Obama has not met his burden of showing that he is eligible to be on the New Jersey primary ballot by showing that he is a “natural born Citizen.” We argued that he has not presented any evidence to the New Jersey Secretary of State showing who he is and that he was born in the United States. We also argued that as a matter of law, Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” because he was born to a father who was not a U.S. citizen.

Obama’s attorney made a motion to dismiss the Objection in its entirety. She argued that it was not relevant to being placed on the ballot whether Mr. Obama is a “natural born Citizen,” where he was born, and whether he was born to U.S. citizen parents. She said that no law in New Jersey obligated him to produce any such evidence in order to get on the primary ballot. We argued that Mr. Obama under the Constitution has to be a “natural born Citizen.” We argued that under New Jersey law (the state constitution, statutes, and case law), Mr. Obama must show that he is qualified for the office he wishes to occupy and that includes showing that he is a “natural born Citizen,” which includes presenting evidence of who he is, where he was born, and that he was born to two U.S. citizen parents. We argued that the Secretary of State has a constitutional obligation not to place any ineligible candidates on the election ballot. Judge Masin denied Obama’s motion to dismiss and the case proceeded to trial.

After calling to the witness stand Mr. Moran and Mr. Purpura, who gave testimony as to why they brought the ballot challenge, and introducing documents showing there is a question as to Mr. Obama’s identity, I called Brian Wilcox to testify as an internet image expert. Mr. Wilcox was going to testify on how the Obama April 27, 2011, long-form birth certificate has been altered and manipulated either by computer software or by a human or both, producing a forged documents, and that since the image is not reliable, we need to see the original paper version. Obama’s lawyer objected to my proffered testimony. I then offered that I would not need to have Mr. Wilcox testify, provided that Obama stipulated that the internet image of his birth certificate could not be used as evidence by either Judge Masin or the New Jersey Secretary of States and that he presented to the court or the Secretary of State no other evidence of his identity or place of birth. Judge Masin also asked Obama’s attorney whether she would so stipulate. She did so stipulate, agreeing that both the court and the Secretary of State cannot rely on the internet birth certificate as evidence of Obama’s place of birth and that Obama has produced no other evidence to the court regarding his place of birth. She also argued that Obama has no legal obligation to produce any such evidence to get on the primary ballot. Judge Masin then took the issue under advisement. Having produced absolutely no evidence of his eligibility for the Office of President, Judge Masin will decide whether as a matter of law Obama has a legal duty to produce such evidence before he may be placed on the New Jersey ballot in light of the pending objection filed against him. If he decides that he does, then the Objection will be successful. If he decides that Obama has no such legal obligation, the Objection would fail on the first issue.

The second issue that Judge Masin addressed was whether the definition of an Article II “natural born Citizen” includes the requirement that the child be born to two U.S. citizen parents. Judge Masin relied heavily upon the fact that no court in the nation has yet ruled that Mr. Obama had to have two U.S. citizen parents at the time of his birth. I explained that most cases regarding Mr. Obama have been ruled in his favor on procedural grounds rather than on the merits of the definition of a “natural born Citizen.” He relied heavily upon U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) and its use of the English common law to define U.S. citizenship. We also discussed the Indiana Ankeny decision and the Georgia ballot access cases. I explained how Wong did not hold that Wong was a “natural born Citizen,” but only a “citizen of the United States” under the Fourteenth Amendment which does not define an Article II “natural born Citizen.” I explained that Wong distinguished between a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen,” explaining how Justice Gray used Horace Binney’s distinction between both classes of citizens. I argued that it is error to rely upon Wong as though it held Wong to be a “natural born Citizen.”

I argued that the Founders and Framers did not adopt the English common law to define the term, but rather natural law and the law of nations which under Article III became part of the “Laws of the United States.” I explained that the definition of a “natural born Citizen” comes from natural law and the law of nations as commented upon by Emer de Vattel in Section 212 of The Law of Nations (1758), which definition was recognized as American “common-law” in Minor v. Happersett (1875). I also explained that Wong Kim Ark confirmed Minor’s definition (a child born in a country to citizen parents) and did not change it.

I explained that Congress through the Naturalization Acts of 1790, 1795, 1802, and 1855 abrogated the English common law as the law to define U.S. citizenship and that through those acts it told us that a child born in the United States to alien parents was an alien and not a “citizen of the United States.” I went through the historical evidence, including but not limited to Emer de Vattel and St. George Tucker, which shows that the Founders and Framers defined a “natural born Citizen” as a child born in the country to citizen parents and not as the English common law defined a “natural born subject.” I explained how Madison wrote to Washington that at the constitutional convention, the delegates did not adopt the English common law for the new republic. I explained that the English common law continued to have effect in the states, even being included in their constitutions and statutes, but not on the federal level where both the Constitution and Acts of Congress did not do the same as the states did. I explained that there is a constitutional distinction between a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen,” and that the two terms cannot be conflated and confounded as per Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 and Chief Justice John Marshall in Marbury v. Madison, who told us that each clause of the Constitution must be given its own meaning. Judge Masin also reserved decision on the question of whether a “natural born Citizen” must be born to two U.S. citizen parents.

Judge Masin will be contacting counsel today or tomorrow morning either by telephone or email as to his decision, stating “yes” or “no” on both issues. He will then provide his written decision to the Secretary of State no later than Wednesday, April 11, 2012, at 10:00 a.m. Counsel will be able to object to Judge Masin’s initial decision. The Secretary of State a Republican will make the final decision. After her decision, the parties can then appeal to the New Jersey Appellate Division and then to the New Jersey Supreme Court. After that, the parties can appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
April 10, 2011
Update April 9, 2012
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

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199 Comments

  1. Alcum

    Apr 13, 2012 at 5:29 am

    Madison held that the child of aliens, if born on US soil, was a natural born citizen. Sorry. He did this on the floor of the First Congress. Case is closed.

  2. Victoria

    Apr 13, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Quote your source on Madison & Natural Born.

  3. AlCum

    Apr 13, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    Page 420 is Madison saying place of birth alone is sufficient and no further inquiry into parentage is necessary. “iIt is what applies in the United States.”

    http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&…

    During debate on seating a member.

    It has never been the practice in the US, at any time, to require that a natural born citizen must have two citizen parents. This is simply a fabrication by Obama haters. Not only is there no precedent at all for it, the Supreme Court actually ruled otherwise in the Wong case, which has been cited for more than a century in this roper context. Birth on US soil is alone sufficient, even to alien parents. Our tradition since colonial times.

  4. Big Dawg

    Apr 13, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Maxin Waters stated on the floor of congress that we went to Mars. Does that make it true or law in any way? Hell no. Good try Kool-Aid!!

  5. Big Dawg

    Apr 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    The Supreme Court as it is should be impeached but for one. Obama, A PRIVATE CITIZEN, 3 days before the inaugeration, met with 8 members of the supreme court. A Quorum, with NO DOCUMENTATION OR NOTES of the meeting. Completely violating the law and rules. Ever wonder what happened behind those closed doors. Scalia has spoken out about this VIOLATION of LAW in many instances. An example of a Banana Republic not the Rule of Law!

  6. nobamanreno

    Apr 13, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    @AlCum, "Madison held that the child of aliens, if born on US soil, was a natural born citizen. Sorry. He did this on the floor of the First Congress. Case is closed. "
    The case you refer to is concerning qualifications for office in So Carolina.

    The qualifications for President provide more stringent regulations. The requirement of
    Natural Born Citizen is to protect the nation from a person who would be elected and hold dual
    citizenship. Obama has allegiance, by birth, to a Father who was a British Citizen (Kenyen territory) and
    a Step-Father who adopted him in Indonesia. Indonesia required that in order to adopt, the child must become
    an Indonesian citizen. That in itself is enough to disqualify Obama. To date, there is no documentation
    proving Obama renounced his Indonesian citizenship.

    Back to your reference, begin on page 414, Mr. Smith's citizenship is in question regarding his qualification to serve South Carolina, not serve as President of the United States.

  7. Keith Milich

    Apr 14, 2012 at 12:08 pm

    Alcum said it all when he tells us in one word that Obama is a U.S. citizen just because of his Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth. His "proof" is a forged document that is not a Birth Certificate. It comes from Hawaiian officials. Hawaii is what… about 110% Democrat? I add the extra 10% because of the number of dead Democrats who continue to vote after death. We have no word or records from the Obstretician who delivered Obama, and he and his family can't even be consistant on what Hawaiian Hospital he was born in. We cannot see his educational records because the "most transparent administration in history" continues to hide the truth. Nice try Alcum.

  8. Lupin

    Apr 15, 2012 at 12:07 am

    I am a French attorney with over 25 years experience, including editing Emerich de Vattel's original texts in English translation for publication. I have no informed opinion as to whether Mr Obama meets your constitutional requirements or not. However I can say without doubt or ambiguity that Mr Apuzzo's analysis of what Vattel wrote is entirely wrong and misconstrued. Assuming for argument's sake that one were to equate Vattel's definitions of indigenes with that of your term "natural-born citizen" (which is highly debatable), Mr Obama would meet Vattel's definition as there is no such thing as a two-parents requirement in Vattel (only the use of a group plural in one sentence taken out of context) and further parents actually means blood relatives, not just mother/father.

  9. Jay

    Apr 15, 2012 at 8:15 am

    It should be of no concern as the AMERICAN PEOPLE come November will vote him out with or without his name on the ballot……

  10. AlCum

    Apr 15, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Apuzzo is also entirely incorrect in his reading of Minor v Happersett. That case does not support birther claims but contradicts them. The Supreme Court explicitly states in the very ruling that it is NOT defining who is a natural born citizen and that many authorities hold that the child of aliens may well be. The Wong case came later and did settle it. The matter is closed.

  11. DiogenesLamp

    Apr 15, 2012 at 10:58 am

    It is not the matter which is closed, but the minds who refuse to grasp the obvious. Your resort to Madison's defense of Mr. Smith is an example of such a thing. Madison's point was that Mr. Smith was a citizen of South Carolina when the State became part of the Nation, and therefore Mr. Smith became a part of the nation at that same time.

    The creation of the New Federal system under the US Constitution in 1787 changed all that. Among the things thrown out were the English notions of subjectship, to be replaced with "citizen". As a relic of a Monarchical based legal system, the feudal doctrine of jus soli was dispensed with, and replaced by the dual jus soli jus sanguinus system.

    The most obvious conflict with your notion that the Madison affair settles the issue is the fact that the founders saw the need to add an exception for themselves in Article II. If just being born in a State was enough to make you a "natural born citizen", why did they add the grandfather clause?

  12. DiogenesLamp

    Apr 15, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Here is a link to someone purported to be James Madison explaining that being born in a state is not enough to secure Federal Citizenship.

    The Newspaper is from 1810.
    http://naturalborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/201

  13. DiogenesLamp

    Apr 15, 2012 at 11:06 am

    <img src=http://naturalborncitizen.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/alex-her-clip2.jpg?w=450&h=313>

  14. nobamanreno

    Apr 15, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Here's a new one~ http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/top-gop-choice-for-vp-

    This all needs to be resolved.

  15. Ash

    Apr 16, 2012 at 8:32 am

    interesting how you comment on an article where obama’s attorney says that his birth certificate was a forgery n you continue to say that it was real.

  16. Tiffany

    Apr 17, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    Obama can be impeached on grounds of fraud! He fraudently supplied a fake birth certificate with the intention of deceiving the American citizens. He was fully aware as he went public that he supplied the certificate even though someon else created it. Another thing I heard in this article was his attorney state the State of New Jersey did not require proof of his birth in order to be on the ballot. Every state needs to enact laws immediately requiring any person running for the Presidency and Vice Presidency to provide verifiable proof of birth, ie a long form birth certificate (note a certificate of live birth). The fact all these years have gone by an this no legislation has been enacted concerning this issue says alot.

  17. Sam Sewell

    Apr 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    Full News Release and background research for journalists here: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/04/obama-i

    Are you interested in being a plaintiff? We have developed a "Do It Yourself Ballot Challenge Kit" that is useable in many states and is available at: http://doityourselfballotchallenge.org/

  18. Forrest Strickler

    Apr 19, 2012 at 9:28 am

    obama attorney admits in court that the birth certificate is a fake. What more proof do we need. Take him off the ballott in all states. Forrest Strickler

  19. 4zoltan

    Apr 19, 2012 at 4:34 pm

    No, she didn't. This has been proven to be an outright lie.

  20. ThePoopieOne

    Apr 19, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Obama is a natural born killer

  21. Cameron

    Apr 20, 2012 at 8:50 am

    With a entitlement minded theiving liberal society, backed by a corrupt government hellbent on turning its subjects into simpering, begging mass of nobodies…its easy to visualize a ruler being in power who does not meet the basic requirements for office…a muslim who cares not whether your black or white, just that your rights need to be stripped, your constitution destroyed, and your monetary system pounded into the stoneage…worthless…and the last step…your physical elimination from this planet…don't agree? Just watch…sheeeple…eat your grule, sit in your corner while they tax and waste your hard work…and whip you for more…or better yet, pull down the blinders and pretend everythings AOK…and don't see it coming…thats easier…

  22. Lacy

    Apr 20, 2012 at 9:27 pm

    What about the Social Securit number, Obama is using? This man is so full of lies and what does he have to hide? Simply show all the records. Common sense, Nothing to hide, put them out there and NOT a forgery!

    Social Security number (SSN) is being used by President Obama: Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, emigrated to the United States in

    1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425, Obama’s current SSN, in or about March of 1957. Ludwig lived most of his adult life in Connecticut . Because of that, his SSN begins with the digits 042, which are among only a select few reserved for Connecticut residents. Obama has never lived or worked in that state. Therefore, there is no reason on earth for his SSN to start with the digits 042. None whatsoever! Now comes the best part! Ludwig spent the final months of his life in Hawaii , where he died.

  23. Lacy

    Apr 20, 2012 at 9:40 pm

    If one has nothing to hide, common sense, than just show all the records! Simple. But he spends 2 million dollars and still puts out a fordge document! Why? There is a video out now that shows many clips of him speaking of his Muslin religion and much more. Look for it. Social Security number (SSN) is being used by President Obama: Jean Paul Ludwig, who was born in France in 1890, emigrated to the United States in
    1924, and was assigned SSN 042-68-4425, Obama's current SSN, in or about March of 1957. Ludwig lived most of his adult life in Connecticut . Because of that, his SSN begins with the digits 042, which are among only a select few reserved for Connecticut residents. Obama has never lived or worked in that state. Therefore, there is no reason on earth for his SSN to start with the digits 042. None whatsoever! Now comes the best part! Ludwig spent the final months of his life in Hawaii , where he died.

  24. mafra

    Apr 22, 2012 at 12:28 pm

    only a LEGIT potus who has committed impeachable offenses should be impeached… Obama however, apparently proven to be ILLIGETIMATE must be charged , tried and appropriately fined, punished, sentenced. To Impeach such a usurper would legalize all that crooks decisions…

  25. Jerry

    Apr 23, 2012 at 6:52 am

    actually, the stipulation made by Obama's attorney was to the validity of using an internet image, no comment was made about the actual certificate on display only the image. watch the video. unfortunately, the ALJ provided advice based upon the hearing and the NJ Secretary of State approved the ballot entry "indorsing" (sic) Obama. Not sure what "indorsing" means, must be Jersey term.

  26. Barbara Ann

    Apr 23, 2012 at 8:24 am

    This is a silly and desperate act to discredit Obama. My son is an American Citizen and so am I. My son's father is a New Zealand Cit and we never married. In fact my son's father hold's a New Zealand and British Citizenship. My son was born in California like I was. The Air Force enlisted my son and gave him one of the highest security clearances you can get. If they except him as a US Citizen… then end of story. If Obama was born in US to a US Cit Mother he a US Citizen. Period. Last but not least I think this natural born citizen rule is crap anyway. You tell me because someone was born in a small country that they can't come here become a Citizen and then become a SPY? Get over it. We have a black man as a two term president. In the end this is all becasue he is black. Its just disgusting how many bigots are in the country. I want another liberal black man to run after Obama's second term. I trust the blacks in this country more than you bigoted cruel whites! I don't freakin tell me some of your best friends are black! It's crap you are bigots!

  27. nobamanreno

    Apr 23, 2012 at 8:28 am




    Private Investigator Susan Daniels: Obama's Connecticut Social Security Number – Part 1 of 2 –

  28. nobamanreno

    Apr 23, 2012 at 8:37 am

    Barbara, Obama's white half is not qualified either…..
    Come on……..throwing the race bomb doesn't work anymore.

    Another reason he is unqualified is due to his adoption by Soetoro, his
    step-father. He became an Indonesian citizen by that act. That in itself
    makes him unqualified, BUT there's more! There is NO documentation that
    proves he ever renounced the Indonesian citizenship. A person can not be
    a dual citizen, or citizen of another country and be the President of the USA.

  29. nobamanreno

    Apr 23, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    Nationality Act of 1940, revised 1952, Section 318(a) states, “A former citizen of the United States expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents and who has not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents may be naturalized upon filing a petition for naturalization before reaching age of Twenty-Five [25] years and upon compliance with all requirements of the naturalization laws with the following exceptions: (b) No former citizen of the United States, expatriated through the expatriation of such person’s parent or parents shall be obliged to comply with the requirements of the immigration laws, if he has not acquired the nationality of another country by any affirmative act other than the expatriation of his parent or parents, and if he/she has come or shall come to the United States before reaching the age of twenty-five years. (c) After his naturalization such person shall have the same citizenship status as if he had not been expatriated.”
    WHERE'S THE PROOF HE DID THIS?
    AND
    "Indonesia required Obama/Soetoro to do a bit more upon his 18th birthday. In fact the Indonesian law gives until the age of Twenty-One [21]. Soetoro/Obama would have had to sign an Affidavit relinquishing his Indonesian citizenship and said Affidavit had to be sent to the Indonesian Government before reclaiming any U.S. citizenship he may have once held.

    When it comes to the citizenship of individuals in other countries, we are prevented from interfering, Hague Convention 1930. During the late 1960′s all the way up until 2006 Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. In 2006, Indonesia changed their laws to permit dual citizenship; however, Indonesia has had its battles with enforcing their new law permitting dual citizenship. " Berg
    Berg continues, " From the legal research we have done, it appears that Soetoro became an Indonesian citizen. When Soetoro/Obama was approximately four [4] years old his parents divorced and thereafter, Soetoro/Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia. Evidence points to the fact that Lolo Soetoro either signed a government form legally ‘acknowledging’ Soetoro/Obama as his son or ‘adopted’ Soetoro, either of which changed any citizenship status Soetoro/Obama had to a “natural” citizen of Indonesia. At the time Barry Soetoro was in Indonesia, all Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.

    Soetoro/Obama was registered in a public school as an Indonesian citizen by the name of Barry Soetoro. Indonesia did not allow foreign students to attend their public schools in the late 1960’s or 1970’s, and any time a child was registered for a public school, the child’s name and citizenship status were verified through the Indonesian Government. I see no way for Soetoro/Obama to have attended school in Jakarta, Indonesia legally unless he was an Indonesian citizen, as Indonesia was under tight rule and was a Police State. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Law No. 62 of 1958.

  30. nobamanreno

    Apr 23, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    continued….
    These facts indicate that Obama/Soetoro is an Indonesian citizen, and therefore he is not eligible to be President of the United States. and his father was listed as Lolo Soetoro, M.A according to the Indonesian school records. Indonesia did Constitution of Republic of Indonesia (Undang-Undang Dasar Republik Indonesia 1945), Chapter 13, Law No. 62 of 1958 (all citizens of Indonesia have a right to education). There was Under Indonesian law, when a male acknowledges a child as his son, it deems the son, in this case Soetoro/Obama, an Indonesian State citizen. See Constitution of Republic of Indonesia, Law No. 62 of 1958 concerning Immigration Affairs and Indonesian Civil Code (Kitab Undang-undang Hukum Perdata) (KUHPer) (Burgerlijk Wetboek voor Indonesie).

    Furthermore, under the Indonesian adoption law, once an Indonesian citizen adopts a child, the adoption severs the child’s relationship to the birth parents, and the adopted child is given the same status as a natural child and the child takes the name of his step-father, in this case, Soetoro. See Indonesian Constitution, Article 2.

    The Indonesian citizenship law was designed to prevent apatride (stateless) or bipatride (dual) citizenship. Indonesian regulations recognized neither apatride nor bipatride (stateless or dual) citizenship. Since Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship; neither did the United States (since the United States only permitted dual citizenship when ‘both’ countries agree); and since Obama/Soetoro was a “natural” citizen of Indonesia, the United States would not step in or interfere with the laws of Indonesia. Hague Convention of 1930.”

    As a result of Soetoro/Obama’s Indonesian ‘natural’ citizenship status, Soetoro/Obama could never regain U.S. ‘natural born’ status, if he in fact he ever held such, which we doubt. Soetoro/Obama could have only become ‘naturalized’ if the proper paperwork were filed with the U.S. State Department, after going through U.S. Immigration upon his return to the United States; in which case, Soetoro/Obama would have received a Certification of Citizenship indicating ‘naturalized’. Berg continued, “Regardless, we have been unable to locate any records indicating that Soetoro/Obama attempted to and/or actually did take the proper steps through the State Department in order to be here in our Country legally” Further, there is no evidence that Soetoro/Obama ever ‘legally’ changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama – therefore his legal name is still ‘Barry Soetoro’.

    So, if you can produce the documents that this is NOT true, I'll read them. Otherwise Obama is a Soro-Usurper and must be removed.

    Case is NOT closed, Mr Cum

  31. 4zoltan

    Apr 23, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    "WHERE'S THE PROOF HE DID THIS? "

    He didn't need to do this as his mother was not an expatriate. Her US passport records indicate that she had a US passport continously from 1965 until her death in the the 1980's.

    Read Perkins v. Elg, a parent cannot give up a minor child's citizenship.

    Indonesian citizenship laws are immaterial, for US citizenship only US laws apply.

  32. leroy

    Apr 24, 2012 at 7:40 am

    It doesn't ,matter what color he is if he is not qualified to be the President. What a crock of shit Barbara Ann. The only bigot is you mam and I am black. You put a bad name on the blacks and I will have to say that I see more blacks being bigots than whites. Please refrain from posting such uneducated comments and throwing the race card in.

  33. Kim

    Apr 24, 2012 at 8:06 am

    Instead of all this arguing over semantics and meanings of words, just ask yourself a few common sense questions

    How is it possible that Obama Sr and Ms Dunham were legally married, when he was already married in Kenya? How is it possible there is no legal record of this marriage?

    Why didn’t Barry know which hospital he was born in? In allowing family members to register the foreign birth of a child as a Hawaiian birth, did official mark those birth certificates in some way to show that they were not actually born in Hawaii?

    Why are there missing passport records to and from Hawaii in the summer of 1961?

    Why did Obama release a certification instead of a birth certificate, and then declare it was the only thing Hawaii gives out, when many others were given the long form birth certificate?

    Why did the state of Hawaii say they had his birth information on file, yet not state he was born in Hawaii? Why did Gov. Abercrombie say he would release Obama’s birth certificate and then release a statement saying it couldn’t be found?

    Why did Barry say his family lived together until he was two, when the evidence shows he and Ms Dunham were actually in Seattle in mid-August 1961 because she was attending school there? While Obama Sr was still in Hawaii?

    Why was he listed as a citizen in Indonesia with his step-father’s last name? What passport did he travel to Indonesia on and what happened to those records? What passport did he use to travel to Hawaii at age eleven to move in with the grandparents and is that the same passport he used to travel to Pakistan in 1981? Where did that passport go?

    In 2006 during a televised C-Span debate bewteen himself and Alan Keyes, Keyes stated he was ineligible to be a US Senator because he was not born here. Barry responded, not by saying that he was born here, but by saying that he wasn’t running for the presidency so his birthplace did not matter. Why?

    Why did he give an interview to the Chicago papers, in which he was referred to as the “Kenyan born Senator”?

    Why did he spend three years paying attorneys to keep this case out of court instead of just releasing the actual birth certificate?

    Why then, after the big production of finally releasing it, is his attorney now state this document is NOT evidence of his birth or place of birth?

    Why, after being sworn in , was his first act to sign an executive order sealing his records?

  34. nobamanreno

    Apr 24, 2012 at 8:13 am

    WHY?
    great post, Kim!

    AND, what has he done to damage this nation since he has been elected?
    Read, Trickle Down Tyranny, documented facts~ This unqualified president
    should have been arrested by now. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006208397X?ie=UT

  35. nobamanreno

    Apr 24, 2012 at 10:16 am



    30-Year Constitutional Scholar: Natural Born Citizen Is One Born On Soil To Two Citizen Parents – 4/15/201

  36. motownmutt

    May 17, 2012 at 8:27 pm

    just a note on Ramsay vs. Smith (born in Charleston, S.C.) which was incompletely referred to above:

    “It is an established maxim, that birth is the criterion of allegiance,” declared Representative James Madison of Virginia in his colleague’s defense. “Mr. Smith founds his claim upon his birthright; his ancestors were among the first settlers of [South Carolina].”

  37. Philip

    May 22, 2012 at 1:01 am

    Since Obama acknowledged his elementary school, it indirectly verifies acknowledgement of his alias. We need ALL passport records for Barry Soetoro as well as for the identity Barack Obama. If Barry's school records were transferred, then Barry had an education. . . Let's go to the other route and assume for the sake of argument that the alias Barry Soetoro had a fictitious and fraudulent school application, and was actually a United States Citizen impersonating an Indonesian, to unlawfully gain benefit from the facilities of that country. This would mean that Barack, alias Barry, has an almost lifelong history of identity, citizenship, and education fraud. Should you trust the word of such lifelong defrauder, or documents that he produced (either manufactured or brought forth)? All education records should be unsealed for BOTH names. I will allow the institutes to blackout (or whiteout) his individual grades and GPA, and I don't need to see his alleged Thesis. However, I do need to see when each class was attended, and the student name and student number (usually also SS#) on each semester's transcript.

  38. Dorene

    May 30, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    How about all the actual videos of Obama admitting he is not a citizen and was born in Kenya as well as the Kenyan president making that admission? Add that to the above and I don't see that there is any question as to whether or not Obama is qualified to be the President of the United States. The fact that he is, and his czars continue to act as elected officials, shows someone has a hold on someone or this would be front page news. What advantage is there to Obama admitting he is not a citizen, I just think he slipped up and now it's coming back to bite him. Even without his personal admission, the statements of others in Kenyan power should be good enough along with the irregularities in the various fake birth certificates. How about his use of unassigned social security numbers? That's certainly worth more research!

  39. Dave

    Jun 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm

    Natural born ! Does that exclude those born by Caesarean section ? That would make alot of sense. Especially for religious folk, who look down on those born by being "ripped from their mother's womb" instead of entering this world by natural birth. For thousands of years msocieties have considered being ripped from the womb as a sign of evil birth. Now it's all clear. Did Obama have a natural birth? Or was he ripped from the womb?

  40. MichaelN

    Feb 22, 2013 at 5:57 pm

    There is NO WAY the Framers, Blackstone, Justice Swift, Horace Gray, Black's Legal Dictionary, or anyone else could have found in 17th century English common law, that native-birth sufficed to make a natural born subject, then adopted such an absurd notion, because it's NOT THERE at all, in fact the opposite is to be found.

    Lord Coke – Calvin's case….

    ""There be regulary (unlesse it be in special cases) three incidents to a subject born.
    1. That the parents be under the actual obedience of the king.
    2. That the place of his birth be within the king’s dominion.
    And 3. the time of his birth is chiefly to be considered"

    "it is to be observed, that it is nec coelum, nec solum,54 neither the climate nor the soyl, but ligeantia and obedientia that make the subject born"

    So IF the Framers had observed the English common law principles to determine a "natural born Citizen (as is your absurd contention), then for a native-born child to be an Article II "natural born Citizen", the child would have to be born under the allegiance of a US citizen.

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